Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Llela's avatar

Really interesting, thought provoking article!!

Makes u question urself and its content in a nuanced way instead of just nodding along!

Expand full comment
hwold's avatar

I had some thought adjacent to that. One day, maybe (probably not) I’ll write a polished version of it somewhere. In the meanwhile, here is a draft. Core idea is "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, but psychological development position" :

1. Pre-theoric phase. Children and most societies for most of the time. You take the world as-is. Children takes adults at their word, societies relies blindly on traditions.

2. Ideological phase. Adolescent rebellion of "We Can Rebuild the World, Better". In societies, it’s that period when mass movements reshape most institutions. The French Revolution in France, the Weimar Republic & Third Reich in Germany, both Garibaldi and Mussolini in Italy.

3. The pragmatic disillusion. "The world is actually more complicated that that, our simplistic ideas made quite an embarrassing mess". Still, can’t go back to the pre-theoric phase either. Most adults, most modern societies. A pragmatism that veers into cynicism and/or nihilism (depending on individuals), where it’s *cringe* to Take Ideas Seriously (cynicism is a corollary because if it’s not ideas that shape the world, it obviously has to be money and power, right ? Weirdly blind to the fact that it’s Big Ideas that have shaped the immediate past, even if the Big Ideas didn’t lived up to their aspirations).

4. Wisdom. Ideas matter and should drive action, but we are not omniscient and the world is not solipsistic. Max Stirner is the one that has described the mindest in the best way, I think : "your ideas are yours, you should not be a slave to them". Modern rationalism (lesswrong-style) is probably the best way to bootstrap an individual there ? (fake frameworks, superposition of hypothesis in particular). We have no societies at this stade (yet, hopefully). Such a society would take Climate Change seriously without going into "and therefore we need to Dismantle Capitalism" failure mode, and Bryan Caplan do not have to write "The Brutally Honest Case for Free Markets" in that world because that’s already obvious.

Expand full comment
2 more comments...

No posts