== The world (including our own brain and body) is complex, morality is not. ==
morality only seems hard because people try to load, "literally anything that can happen as a consequence of your actions to anyone that might hurt them or infringe on their basic human rights", under "morals". this is kinda silly.
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== Slavery. ==
slavery is a bad example for "we used to be immoral because morality is really complicated", because, -- most of all because "no fucking way people thought slavery was okay" --
but also, it's just really convenient to have slaves and do slave trade, and there was more incentive for it, and less cultural and legal things pushing back on it.
the abolishment of slavery was a political/legal/social-cooporation victory, not a moral or philosophical one. (rhetoric that shows clearly why slavery is bad, that was just ammo for that battle, doesn't count as "philosophical progress")
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== People know things are bad. ==
for factory farming: everyone knows it hurts animals, it's just annoying and depressing to act on it or worry too much about it.
for tribal violence/mindset: i strongly doubt that anyone in human history, who was not evil/sadistic or literally retarded, actually thought that the suffering of other tribes was irrelevant or that in some alternate version of the world with much more abundance and comfort, those "outsiders" still deserved to suffer -- it was just not the right thing to care about.
(similar with giving to charity)
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== The meme is correct. ==
"just dont do stuff that makes people feel bad".
figuring out the consequences of actions and finding the right attitudes or frameworks, that's not "morality", that's "having to solve really complicated problems".
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(i dont wanna polish this further because it's kinda obvious to me, and, you never respond anyway)
(except for adding some things for clearer reading because, holy crap the comment display on this website is so bad)
another way of putting it is in terms of cognitive resource management
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when trying to figure out how to act or how to set up society, you 1) think about world state and its transformations and 2) evaluate a given world state.
the 2) turns out to be super easy in the vast majority of cases, given that you apply 1) a bunch of times to turn a "complex moral problem" into a situation that is practically much easier to evaluate, which you can almost always do.
and moral philosophy/studying morality is strengthening our ability to do 2), which is therefor mostly pointless, or it's actually 1) in disguise lol.
(you never actually come across a trolley problem, like, a hospital administrator should simply not be allowed to decide to kill 1 guy to save 5 via his organs, because, that's just retarded lol, you just make that illegal because nobody wants to go to a hospital like that or live in a society where that can happen)
== The world (including our own brain and body) is complex, morality is not. ==
morality only seems hard because people try to load, "literally anything that can happen as a consequence of your actions to anyone that might hurt them or infringe on their basic human rights", under "morals". this is kinda silly.
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== Slavery. ==
slavery is a bad example for "we used to be immoral because morality is really complicated", because, -- most of all because "no fucking way people thought slavery was okay" --
but also, it's just really convenient to have slaves and do slave trade, and there was more incentive for it, and less cultural and legal things pushing back on it.
the abolishment of slavery was a political/legal/social-cooporation victory, not a moral or philosophical one. (rhetoric that shows clearly why slavery is bad, that was just ammo for that battle, doesn't count as "philosophical progress")
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== People know things are bad. ==
for factory farming: everyone knows it hurts animals, it's just annoying and depressing to act on it or worry too much about it.
for tribal violence/mindset: i strongly doubt that anyone in human history, who was not evil/sadistic or literally retarded, actually thought that the suffering of other tribes was irrelevant or that in some alternate version of the world with much more abundance and comfort, those "outsiders" still deserved to suffer -- it was just not the right thing to care about.
(similar with giving to charity)
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== The meme is correct. ==
"just dont do stuff that makes people feel bad".
figuring out the consequences of actions and finding the right attitudes or frameworks, that's not "morality", that's "having to solve really complicated problems".
----------------------------------
(i dont wanna polish this further because it's kinda obvious to me, and, you never respond anyway)
(except for adding some things for clearer reading because, holy crap the comment display on this website is so bad)
another way of putting it is in terms of cognitive resource management
-----------------------------
when trying to figure out how to act or how to set up society, you 1) think about world state and its transformations and 2) evaluate a given world state.
the 2) turns out to be super easy in the vast majority of cases, given that you apply 1) a bunch of times to turn a "complex moral problem" into a situation that is practically much easier to evaluate, which you can almost always do.
and moral philosophy/studying morality is strengthening our ability to do 2), which is therefor mostly pointless, or it's actually 1) in disguise lol.
(you never actually come across a trolley problem, like, a hospital administrator should simply not be allowed to decide to kill 1 guy to save 5 via his organs, because, that's just retarded lol, you just make that illegal because nobody wants to go to a hospital like that or live in a society where that can happen)